November 24, 2025
Will AI make us smarter or dumber? The insights of Klöpping, Scherder and Online Dialogue
Reflection on Klöpping × Scherder by Simon Buil (Data Analyst at Online Dialogue)
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On Thursday, June 22, Online Dialogue co-founder Ton Wesseling (as speaker) and Lead Conversion Manager Ruben (as guest) hosted the Growth Marketing Summit attended in Germany. This congress has been organized for years by konversionsKRAFT, a successful CRO agency in Germany. Here are some highlights and insights.

Colin McFarland, director of Experimentation Platform & Core Data Science at Netflix, talked about five ingredients for the experimentation culture at Netflix.
1. Leadership buy-in
Everyone in the organization has knowledge of experimentation, including executives, resulting in the right mindset. A great example is when CEO Reed Hastings teaches Netflix employees in a video course what A/B testing is
2. Transparency around plans, expectations, gains and losses
Expectations, plans and results for major experiments are summarized in memos and transparent to everyone in the organization, ensuring different points of view.
3. Freedom & responsibility, not freedom from responsibility
Experiments are expected for most decisions - the default is to question decisions that have not been tested. Anyone may make decisions as long as they are tested.
4️. Contribution to the community
All managers and leaders are expected to contribute to ‘functional excellence. Creating forums makes it possible to share and receive feedback. It is everyone's responsibility to protect the data culture.
5️. Platform maturity
The experimentation platform plays a crucial role within Netflix's culture. Therefore, they are continuously building the platform to make Netflix and its culture successful.
Ton Wesseling, co-founder of Online Dialogue, has worked in the field for more than 20 years. He won an Experimentation Legend of the Year Award last week at Experimentation Elite in London. He talked about three things that cause experimentation to inhibit an organization's growth.
These problems can be solved with WOW. Three key points that must be balanced for success:
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Daphne Tideman: Ensure a good balance of Explorers and Planners in growth teams. Explorers are good at finding new growth opportunities and driving change. Planners push the process and get more out of what already exists. Explorers, however, move too fast and Planners stay with an idea too long. Therefore, both are necessary in team. If the first experiment does not result in an improvement, keep trying and move on to something new after the returns diminish.
Simone Neeling,CRO specialist at VodafoneZiggo: Be a CAT person to help others experiment. Curious to stakeholders' goals, Analytical to analyze them and Thoughtful to help and educate stakeholders. This also means becoming friends with your IT department, since those are whole most important stakeholders for experimentation.
Marianne Stjernvall also known as the Queen of CRO, is a familiar face at CRO events. According to Marianne, there are five facets to an outstanding experimentation program:
Kenda MacDonald: Funnels are not a reality, this is not how a (potential) customer behaves. Instead, focus on problems and reward activation using marketing automation. Match the different stages of the buying process with appropriate activations to hold attention. Also match content strategically throughout the customer journey to build profiles and find out what stage they are in, create multiple opt-in opportunities and build content for data.
Besides the speakers mentioned, there were some other great speakers. Since Frankfurt is easily accessible by train, this congress is definitely worth attending! Want to read more about interesting events at home and abroad? Then subscribe to our newsletter. Here you will also find the latest news, blogs and, of course, our own events and meetups.